Found on the Web: Reports of Forced Nudity

By Editor_N

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Found on the Web: Reports of Forced Nudity
Compiled and edited by Editor_N

Post 0: Preface – Provenance and sources

A few years ago there were active discussions and debates online on the topic of forced nudity, mostly in regards to nude swimming in schools, nude swimming at the YMCA, nude physical examinations for school (or military), and a few other select contexts. Some of these discussions were flame-fests, filled with attacks by skeptics and doubters who believed that ALL the reports were false, and attacks by others who (in the editor’s opinion) can reasonably be described as just plain haters.

These discussions occurred on multiple sites, including topix.com, multiple voy.com boards, the experience project site, the Usenet newsgroup (now Google Groups) rec.nude, and other sites. These discussions have since been shut down and many of the sites/pages deleted or turned off, and the material is no longer online or is hard to find, even with Google.

The editor, who chooses the pen name Editor_N, captured (text) excerpts from many of the discussions back when they were occurring (mostly 2013 and earlier years). In many cases the original author’s name (user name) and/or source URL were not captured; in retrospect this was a mistake but it cannot be corrected now. Given that most of the material is no longer online, obsolete URLs are not very useful anyway (most URLs were not captured by archive.org).

The editor is compiling select material from the content captured during the discussions and adding comments in some cases to provide context – subject to the constraint that the editor remembers the context [or has the old, often obsolete URL] for some but not all excerpts. Additional comments are provided by the editor for many of the posts. It is believed that this usage falls within copyright fair use or fair dealing. The objective here is to preserve the material and make it available to others.

Similar content will be grouped together, to the extent possible herein. The material presented is alleged to be true by the original posters. Each reader must decide for themselves how much of the material they believe.

The Editor could post this on a number of sites. This site was chosen as the optimal site for the material. Posts will be spaced out over time; they won’t be posted all at once.

I hope you find the material interesting.

Found on the Web: Reports of Forced Nudity
Compiled and edited by Editor_N

Post 1: 1970’s German TV show forces boys into CFNM with their girl co-stars

Editor_N note: Most posts in this series will include multiple posts from the archive. This is a solo post as it is the first, relatively long, and an extreme (?) example of forced nudity. This was posted on a voy.com forum years ago and is not in the archive/backup boards. Additional editor notes are after the post.

Editor_N note: updated 25 Dec 2018 to include program details.

Original post:

Sorry it's so long:

In Germany in the 70's there was a standard low-budget after-school TV show like you would see in the US with nothing unusual until about the 4th or 5th episode when the younger boys aged 10 to 12 all stripped naked and went skinny dipping and wrestled with one another on a raft right in front of the girls - and the cameras!

What was interesting about it is that it sent mixed signals. On one hand, the show tried to make it appear funny and somewhat normal for boys to strip down and skinnydip in front of girls but instead of having the girls ignore them as if it was normal (and like what you see in Brad's Victorian photographs and paintings), they showed the girls running up to to watch and laugh and act embarrassed at what they were seeing when the boys were climbing up in awkward positions on the raft. The boys acted in the film as if they were having a blast and couldn't care less about being naked in front of the girls but ater they got out of the water, the two young actors who were required (by the script) to stand there and talk to the girls as they walked up kept their hands covering their privates in obvious embarrassment.

What made that episode even more striking is that the director had a 10 year old boy from the cast stand completely naked for some time talking to the fully-dressed girls about not knowing how to swim and even though the show tried to make it appear that the boys were totally carefree about being naked, you could easily tell the boy playing that part was actually embarrassed about it. He kept both hands locked over his privates the entire time and you could even see him in a background view at one point jerk around self-consciously to keep a young girl walking by from seeing what he was trying to hide. The boy was smiling and talking as required by the script but his body language demonstrated that like most 10 year old boys, he was obviously NOT comfortable having to stand like a naked toddler in front of his fully-dressed female co-stars.

Yet a few moments later, several girls offer to teach him how to swim by holding an inner tube in the water and he has to walk over and step onto the shaky tube and then bend over and grab the tube with his legs spread wide apart which obviously meant that what he had been carefully hiding from them behind his hands was now on extremely intimate view to the entire group of girls who were down on their knees behind him. The girls then pushed the inner tube out into the water and it turned him around several times so the young viewers at home could get the same explicit views of him. I realize the boy was just following the script but I still remember being totally shocked that a kid who just a moment before was clearly embarrassed about the scene and covering up in front of his female co-stars would actually let an acting role compel him to walk over naked and allow the girls to put him on complete rotating display in a position that couldn't possibly have been more exposing or humiliating for any naked boy with his legs spread apart and his genitals now dangling and swinging in front of their faces as he struggles to hang on while they shove him out to show the same embarrassing view of him to the camera and a television audience of hundreds of thousands of other schoolchildren!!

Can you imagine being 10 to 12 years old - incredibly self-conscious years for an adolescent - and acting in an average TV series with a bunch of other kids that you have become good friends with over several weeks and you're sitting in your bedroom reading next week's script and suddenly realize it calls for you to strip naked on the set and climb up awkwardly on a raft while the girls watch and laugh at your exposed parts? And as your face is flushing bright red contemplating what you'll have to do, you realize that not only are your female co-stars that you've become close friends with on the set also sitting in their bedrooms reading the script and thinking "ohmigod" that they're going to get to watch you take your clothes off and run around the set like a naked 3 year old but your sisters and every girl you go to school with that has heard you brag about being in a TV series is also going to enjoy watching you have to get naked and show everyone your little weenie in order to keep your part in the show!

Of course we all know that's exactly the reason the director did it. All the young girls at home who had become attracted to one of the boys in the series over the first several weeks of the show were going to love seeing him take his clothes off and run around naked and viewership would soar because nudity always sells.

I mean the director must have been thinking, "hey I know - not only will I make the boys get naked but all the 7 to 10 year old girls who watch the show love that cute 10 year old boy so I'll have the girls on the show put him on all fours like a 4-H farm animal and turn him around for the camera with his legs spread wide so they can show him off with his penis dangling and swinging for the little girls at home!"
I'm also certain that that director back in the 1970's requiring those 10 to 12 year old boys to run around naked in front of their female co-stars - which my German friends said boys that age there would never do in real life - was the very definition of exploitation.

I can't even imagine spending weeks working closely on a project with a bunch of kids at school and the teacher walking in one day and telling us boys that the project now requires us to strip naked and wrestle with one another while the girls stand around laughing at us - and, oh yeah, he's going to film it so the rest of the school can watch! LOL, I'm sure the 10-12 year old girls I went to school with would have been thinking "hell yeah!" at getting to see us boys in the class have to strip down and wrestle on the floor like a bunch of naked toddlers with our little penises flopping because I would have felt the same way if it had been them. But for me it would have been "no way in hell!" and it absolutely stuns me that instead of saying that, those German middle-school boys actually did it. All I can think is that some people including kids want to be actors so badly that their acting desire overcomes all other emotions including pride, shame and embarrassment! Nothing else explains why that embarrassed boy would drop his hands and go through with what he did..

Editor_N comments:
#1: Swimming nude was common in Germany in the 1970’s, so perhaps it was not as anomalous as the writer above believes?
#2: The first mainstream, wide distribution movie that featured men wrestling naked was back in the 1970’s. One wonders if that inspired the German TV Director to have the boys wrestle nude?
#3: If a reader saw the program mentioned and can corroborate the report [hopefully including program name and year of broadcast], please send an email to Editor_N via Cassie. If corroborated, this post will be updated to add details on the TV program.

UPDATE re: #3:
As of 25 Dec 2018, 2 readers have supplied the name/details of the TV show: (many thanks to the readers who corroborated this!)

The TV program is: Krempoli (Original Sub-title: Ein Platz für wilde Kinder (English: a place for wild children)) from 1975. The described scene is in episode 4 "Das Baumhaus" (the treehouse).

As-of 25 Dec 2018, the episode is on youtube. To find it, search for: KREMPOLI Das Baumhaus. Videos on youtube can be deleted, accounts deleted, so it is available today but might not be available in the future.

Found on the Web: Reports of Forced Nudity
Compiled and edited by Editor_N

Post 2: Junior high school boys get physical exams - totally nude - while their clothed girl classmates watch

Editor_N comments: Junior Highs are/were grades 7-9 in the US; students in the age group 13-15 years (puberty years). Nowadays in the US Middle Schools are supplanting junior highs.

Post #1 – from a voy.com board. (Multiple posts from a thread)

Editor_N comments: this post contains (below) a comment re: using boys as “life models”. In one of the now-deleted topix.com discussion threads, there were links to old education books from 1900-1930 discussing this practice. Unfortunately I did not capture those URLs; however I did review some of the subject books back when the thread existed/was active. The old books said that the life models should be boys from the same classes as the girls. There were photos in some of the old books of naked children doing life modeling. (The photos were non-sexual, of course.)

Author:
Chris
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Date Posted: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 06:23: pm
When I was 13 we had physicals at our school.It was decided that the boys and girls would have their physicals on different days.We boys had ours first.The boys were taken into the gymnasium where the physicals were going to be done.To our surprise, the bleachers were full of girls.The teacher told the boys that the girls were there because that was where they had their health class,and since the gym was the only place big enough to examine lots of boys simultaneously, they decided they would just do the boys examinations and girls health class at the same time.We were then told to strip down.I stripped down to my underwear as did all other boys,but we were told we have to strip naked.The boys were all reluctant, but we were told if we didn't we'd be in big trouble, so we stripped naked.e all stood naked on as each boy was examined.When the genital exams started, the teacher directed the girls to it and explained to them why the doctor was grabbing our testicles and asking us to cough.

The teacher then called out to about 8 boys ,including myself,and told them to go to where she was.She had me and the other boys stand in front of the girls and told the girls to notice how boys penises vary in size and even shape.Such attention to our genitals caused me an the other boys to become erect.When we got erect,we quickly covered ourselves, but the teacher scolded us and told us not to, so the we stopped.The teacher called attention to our erections and explained to the girls how and why it happens.She told the girls to notice how the erect penises vary in size and shape,and how some point directly up, straight out, how some curve, etc...She pointed out that some of the boys were developed enough to produce sperm while other were not.Most of the boys were circumcised, but a few were not.The teacher pointed out the difference for the girls, and then told them to notice that one of the boys(who's name was Gregory) had long enough foreskin that even fully erect, his glans was fully covered.The teacher went up to Gregory to show the girls that under the foreskin, Gregory looked the same as all other boys.She pulled back his foreskin,and this action caused Gregory to ejaculate.When this happened, the teacher once again explained to the girls and mentioned to them about orgasms.

She told the girls about masturbation and that boys do this many way, but the main way was to gab his penis and pump.She told me to demonstrate what she was talking about. I didn't really want to, but I had an overwhelming need to relive myself because my penis felt like it was going to explode,so I just did it.After I ejaculated, she smiled and told the other boys that she could tell they needed to relieve themselves.She told the boys that it's ok for them to do it right there and not to feel embarrassed.So the boys relieved themselves.The teacher then thanked us for being good sports and told us we could go leave.After we left, I learned that each new class of girls in the gym had the same demonstration that the other girls had, but with each new group of boys that went in for physicals. The next day, the girls had their physicals, but we boys were kept in our classrooms the whole day.We weren't allowed out of our class the whole day, not even for lunch.We did have lunch, but we ate in class, and the food was brought to us, instead of us going to get it.When we went to the bathroom, we were watched very carefully to make sure we went directly to bathroom and came directly back.
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brendan
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Date Posted: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 08:20: pm
I had an experience close to that when I was 12 but in my case it wasn't for a school physical.I was with my mother one day during a parent teacher meeting.The principle wanted to see my mother so I had to sit there bored while he talked with her.I don't remember what was said because i wasn't paying attention,but I do remember my mother signing a paper which turned out to be a consent form to allow me to be put on display.

A few weeks later at school i was called out of the class and was met by the principle.he asked me if I remembered a few weeks before, which I didn't,so he explained to me that my mother gave consent for me to be used as a teaching tool.

I didn't like it one bit, but I had no choice.I was given a robe and told to go to the bathroom and come out wearing nothing but the robe.So i changed into the robe, and when i came out was led into a classroom full of girls.The teacher told me to take off the robe.When I did some girls giggled but the teacher told them to hush.I was very nervous and this caused me to have an erection.

The teacher started talking, but I didn't hear one word because I was in a daze.It was very surreal.I couldn't believe I was standing in a room full of girls completely naked with an erection.I was taken out of my daze when the teacher told me to demonstrate what masturbation is.

I hadn't heard the word so i didn't know what she meant.I also hadn't masturbated before so when she told me what I'm supposed to do i didn't understand why.I started to do what she asked and couldn't believe how god it felt.I suddenly got this intense feeling and started having my first orgasm.I let out a little yelp as it happened.I hadn't started to produce sperm yet so it was a dry orgasm.I was called every day for a week to be used a s a subject in the girls class.
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Lenora
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Date Posted: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 08:26: pm
brendan, i remember something like that when i was in school.they brought in one of my male classmates and used him to teach us about boys bodies.i got to see him get an erection and he also masturbated in front of us.it was the first time i had seen a boy ejaculate.i was 13 at the time and so was he.
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Chris
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Date Posted: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 08:31: pm
When and where did this happen brendan? For me this occurred 1964 in norfolk, virgina.
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brendan
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Date Posted: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 08:33: pm
This happened in 1972 in Akron Ohio
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Liz
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Date Posted: Sunday, January 02, 2011, 01:11: pm
Double standard is great isn't it.

One way street. Sure, girls should have live male models in health class, but guys having live female models in health class? Pfft. That's lunacy.
[> Subject: This was very common

Author:
Franklin
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Date Posted: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 08:40: pm
This occurred more often than anyone thinks.There's was an article in an old education manual talking about how health classes for girls should include a real life male model.The article stated that the male model should be a fellow schoolmate,as this would make the girls feel more comfortable as opposed to some strange kid.It also stated the boys would also be more comfortable because they already know the girls, and so it would be a safe situation.Although this didn't occur at all schools, it occurred at many.This article didn't say that it was obligatory, but simply suggested it.Some schools chose to utilize boys in girls health class, others chose not to.

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Judy
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Date Posted: Sunday, January 02, 2011, 09:20: pm
From the erotic view point good story is it true or perhaps embellished truth? If you enjoyed it great if not just giggle an move on to the next post.

Several girls hanging out watching have heard first hand accounts that were confirmed as true by asking questions that only a person truly present would know and the guys confirmed the facts as correct.I was never that lucky to be one of them.

Have viewed old health text books that did show black & white images of boys and girls undressed standing in front of a black board. Was any students in the room at the time of just an empty classroom used for the photo shoot,I do not know can only report what I see.

Post #2: a (several weeks) later new thread on the same board, a comment on the main post above.

Claims that junior high school girls for "health class" (really girls's PE?) were observing the boys getting physicals, and the boys were nude. It is unclear how much of the message is accurate.

Parts of the post seem plausible. Advocates of nude male swimming claimed that girls benefited from learning about male bodies, as the girls would eventually be mothers with sons. So having girls observe physicals for health education fits into that.

As a male who lived through that era (but never swam nude), I recall that we were treated very badly and PE teachers seemed to be well, the word subhuman comes to mind. In those days, men and boys allegedly did not have any modesty concerns, that was the province of girls and "sissy" boys so nudity was not an issue.

I was in junior high at the time mentioned and my PE teacher got mad at us (boys) for some reason or other and threatened to make us exercise outside, nude - where the girls could see us. He did not follow through on the threat, but the fact that he made it says something about the times and the low status of boys then.

So it is possible that forced group nudity of the boys with girls as observers might happen, to humiliate and demean the boys and educate the girls. This brutish behavior would fit into the pattern of the subhuman PE teachers of the times.

So the basic scenario in the post - nude junior high boys on display for clothed junior high girls - is plausible, even the female teacher calling boys over to do show and tell about their penises for the girls. But where the post crosses into a gray zone is the claims that 1 boy ejaculated when touched, and that the boys openly masturbated for the crowd of girls.

Back in those days masturbation was seen as immoral. In junior high, I was given a sex ed booklet that claimed that you could catch venereal disease by masturbation (talk about a stupid claim). Assuming these were junior high PE classes, at a time when daily PE was mandatory for buys and girls, then the scenario described is that a group of boys, under direction from the girls health/PE teacher, masturbated in front of maybe 1/6 of all the girls in school, while 1/6 of the boys in school were stark naked and on display behind them. The forced nudity – possible and even plausible, but forced public masturbation is less likely.

Post #3: a similar report

Editor_N note: also from a now-deleted board on voy.com, posted months after post #1 above. Similar to #1 in some respects.

Yeah, I learned next year(first year of junior high, when school physicals started)that adults cared much more about female modesty than male modesty. The boys physicals and the girls physicals were done on the same day. The line for the room the girls physicals took place went through the room where the boys physicals took place. Not to mention that the boys were examined fully nude, the girls were almost fully clothed the whole exam, the only time the genitals were examined is if a parent had a complaint. The boys had a hernia check, their penis was felt by the (female) doctor, and if uncircumcised, the foreskin was pulled back. So the all the girls got free shows that day.

Post #4: report from a high-school age girl

Editor_N note: this may come from antimisandrty.com, a site that has shut down.

i'm a 16 year old girl, a few months ago they were doing medicals on boys who were a little older than me.
i was told by the head to take some papers over to the boys locker rooms and hand them to the nurse there.
when i got there the door was closed, i knocked but got no answer from inside, i opened it slightly and called out Hello
a man inside looked and saw me and asked what i wanted i showed him the papers, he called me inside to where they were.to my surprise [excitement as well] there were about 10 to 15 boys standing in a line without anything on,all of them had there hand at their sides, i've never seen a boys willy before besides in a magazine, but this was real, some were small others had Big ones. i was about 4 feet away from them, when i handed the papers over to the lady, some thing i wont forget.
if i were to have a medical there at that time i wouldn't mind stripping naked with those boys and lining up as well. i'm sure quite a few girls would have joined it as well.
do they ever do these medicals at schools where the whole class boys and girls go in together?

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