Found on the Web: Reports of Forced Nudity

Found on the Web: Reports of Forced Nudity 9 to 11

By Editor_N

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Found on the Web: Reports of Forced Nudity

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Post 9: More nude swimming in school, swim teams, YMCA

Each post below, 9-#, is a separate post unless its link to other posts is stated.

Post 9-1: from an old, now-deleted topix.com forum

E Germany The one thing she said that really surprised me though is this: There was no gender segregation amongst primary school children. They had all of their classes together, much like happens here. They also had phys-ed together as well, with a focus on gymnastics and swimming. And, apparently, all indoor physical education and swimming lessons were done in the nude. Swimsuits and gym clothes were supplied for kids 11 and older, but not for the younger kids. She is in her late 40s now and her kids are in college. She told me this was the way it was for her and for her kids. She tells me that there was less teasing and other such nonsense than what she hears about at the schools here.

Post 9-2:

I will not go into it again but reminds me of my neighbor taking her daughter and me to a local county lake on occasions. Although there were other people around I never was required to cover up. The mother never suggested that I do and treated me as I guess she would have a son of her own. My mother knew I swam nude and never told me I shouldnt. Also somewhere in that list are comments by young females on viewing somekind of science display in CHICAGO which has nude male bodies and the youngsters never seeing them before. When I was young, girls knew what boys looked like. They were not shocked at the age of 14 or 15. Times sure do change!

Post 9-3:

There were quite a few women and girls there – families and friends always came out to support and quite a few of the townspeople as well. My Mom, my sisters, aunts, cousins and female family friends were usually in attendance. When I had a girlfriend in my last year of high school - she was always there as well.

We had to swim naked at home collegiate meets. In those days the suits really did slow you down so our ex-military coach insisted we go without, despite the other teams being suited and the large turnout of spectators, Including many girls, friends & family.

Post 9-4: 2 posts re: Chicago schools

I attended a Chicago publich high-school from 1964-1967. Gym classes (including swimming and "Health") were segregated by sex. I heard that the boys swam in the nude, although I didn't see this with my own eyes. We girls might as well have swum in the nude. We had to wear jersey suits with no lining and no bust support. You checked one out at the beginning of class from a counter in the locker room, and at the end of class dropped it down a chute to be washed. (I think we paid something per school year for this "service.") The color of your suit denoted your swimming ability. I was a non-swimmer and never got above "gray suit." Of course, the gray suits were the most shapeless and stretched out of the bunch. Even the top-swimming "red suits" used a shoelace to tie the suit straps together at the back, in order to get some coverage in the front.

posted by Joleta at 6:37 PM on September 7, 2005

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Saint Patrick High School in Chicago ended bottoms up bathing circa 1980 or 1981. The public Kennedy King High School did not end it until 1982. Lane Tech did not end nude swimming until after I was gone, probably around 1977 or 1978.

On the other hand, some schools did wear suits for both PE swimming and swim team practice.

It is a mixed bag, but the point is that schools did had nude swimming for some time after the YMCAs required suits. Your argument that nude swimming was only of the YMCAs and not of schools is a distinction without any historical support.

CFNM is nonsense. We wanted chicks in the pool, indeed, and without suits like we were! That would be NFNM not CFMN.

I cannot blame you for being skeptical of the mixed situatuion. Some of these stories seem like fiction. But again, I was in the pool when a female teacher came waltzing in for some unknown reason and got an illegal eyeful.

Again, I know it happened because I was there!

Post 9-5:

I had worked at an orphanage for ten years (this was now 30 years ago). The home took care of children ranging in age from age 8 to 16 (at 16-years-old, kids live in group homes). The arrangement is usually temporary, a few months, until more permanent homes can be found for the kids.

The orphanage has a large swimming pool. In my experience, girls are a lot more modest then the boys. Back then, girls would wear some form of swimming attire by the age of 9 years, where boys would always swim naked, remaining completely exposed to the opposite sex. This was true for the boys who are even as old at 15 years, and evidently “grown up”. On rare occasions, when older boys first moved in (above age 12), they may be a bit shy about being naked in front of girls, especially since the girls of same age and younger will be clothed. But after a few days the boys are comfortable with their nudity in front of girls. There were a few girls who were surprised at the nudity of the boys when they first arrived, especially of the boys who have obviously entered puberty. But this reaction only happened if the girl was over 8 or 9 years or older, and they didn’t have older brothers. Back in those days, it was quite common for a girl to see her brother nude (whether older or younger)

we had to swim naked to and stay in line for roll and we had to keep our hands behind our back so it was all showing and like you've said we had female teachers as well and girls often came early while the boys were standing for the last bit of information while we were out standing in line hands behind backs and on a few occasions all but a few got erections out of around 25. female teachers seemd to enjoy this lesson the most. and sometimes we had to lay on the concrete and practise the strokes and that hurt. and sometimes we had to line up single file one behind each other close together and that was very intimidating when another boys penis is touching your bum and yours is touching the guys in front of you. When the girls came early most boys dick shot up and the girls had a good lokk at everyones package. we were around 12-14yrs old and some boys were teased as they were more into puberty than others and had hair everywhere. it was pretty embarassing but eventually everyone got used to it and we just stripped off and lined up and we didn't really mind if we were standing there for ages we just talked and it didn't really bother us. plus most boys enjoyed the girls coming early because they got a chance to show them their package a few boyfriends and girlfriends were made by this.

yes it may sound extreme but it was true it was an extremely strict school and their reasons was to learn discipline and to be comfortable with yourself. This was around 1939 and it was a very old fashioned school and believed in strange things. when i tell many of my friends this story they too thought it was rubbish and that i made it up but it what i have said is true and you can either believe it or not

Post 9-6:

Hello all, I'm new on this board and found it on a Google search after I got in a historical debate on this subject with a friend, who claimed the whole concept was absurd. I thought I'd post my story. I'm 61 and live in Wisconsin. Boys did swim nude out our school, and girls wore flannel baiting suits that were about as attractive as a potato sack. Absolutely no females were allowed in the pool area when they did - it would have been the same as a girl walking into a boys locker room. But in reality, I did not need to. The girls locker room had metal double doors that opened into the pool area, and inside the door was a short corridor into our locker room. Our school was 40 years old, and in my freshman year, the maintenance man did a bad job replacing the hinges leaving a half-inch gap between the door and the jam. Suffice it to say, girls would often gather at the door to watch the boys line up in the altogether for roll call. The challenge was keep the other girls from giggling, which no doubt alerted the other side we were peeping. Yet the coach, who I believe had been a sergeant in the Korean War, and didn't seem to care and would shout at the boys that complained about anything, including their suspicions about us. However, we were caught a few times by the girls swim instructor. Yet she never gave us any grief about it, because I believe some of the girls had once caught her doing the same. In fact, one day she saw us clamoring at the door and she just smirked with a laugh and walked away allowing us to continue. Needless to say, it was quite the anatomy lesson and some of the girls started a contest to see which boy had the biggest balls, which we eventually awarded to a boy named Chuck who was almost as tall as the coach.

Post 9-7: 3 posts

When I was in grammar school back in 1952 we were taken to the local ymca for swim classes because we didn't have a pool at our school.The boys and girls had their classes at the same time, the reason of which I imagine to be that it eliminated having to make more trips than necessary.The girls wore one piece suits but we boys wore nothing.I know I won't be believed,but all I can say is that this did happen.The class was made up of 10 and 11 year olds, so it wasn't as big of a deal if we had been 13 and over.I wasn't comfortable,and i can attest that other boys weren't to happy about it either.None of the boys wanted to come out the pool and we stayed on the opposite end of where the girls were.We covered ourselves going in and out of the pool.It was only this way at first until it became so routine that we didn't care.I've read here some people saying that boys being nude would make them behave, but that's not true.Maybe at first it will because of the embarrassment,but once that wears off the boys act like they normally would.Trust me, the embarrassment does wear off.These classes continued to be coed with the boys nude and girls suited until we were 12 and 13 years old.After that the nude swimming in high school was single gender.In case anyone is wondering, we boys weren't embarrassed more when we were 12 and 13 because we were used to it already and the girls in the class were the same girls from before.It really wasn't as big of a deal as some people think it would have been.

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I know that I know that women walked in on swim class during the nude swimming era in Chicago.

I know because a female teacher saw me naked

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I never swam in my birthday suit, but it was so common at one time that it is hard to believe that

at times women were not involved at some level.

At a now closed ymca in Avilla there were windows to the pool and in the 50s kids could be watched by their dads, and moms if the moms stopped by!

Post 9-8: 3 short posts

I did post a link once on these forums from a woman who said that as a young girl, in 52-53 I think, she said that she regularly saw her brother competing at swim meets in the nude in several different places, which she named, for two whole years together with her mother among other mixed spectators in the bleachers. It looked genuine to me since she named both the years and the places where this took place over that period. I think the places she named were in the mid west.

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It wouldn't have been as bad if the school had taken just basic measures to provide the boys with some privacy, but that was not the case. Girls often spied on the boys or showed up early for their class to see us getting out of the pool naked. If the tables had been turned, the boys would have been in BIG trouble.

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I have mentioned in previous posts that during all of my high school years, at a public high school in Illinois, the boys swam nude and the girls had a "one-size-fits-all" suit for each girl that the classes would share. People today rarely believe me.

Back then, the rationale was that the locker room was too small and there was no place to put wet swim suits.

At any rate, we considered it "normal" - with lots of odd stories though. I do remember when the school class bells went out of whack and we were in the pool when the girls swim class opened the door and started to enter the pool area. Needless to say, screams and chaos ensued.

Post 9-9: 2 similar posts

When I was young lad, my friend and went to the YMCA where we would play in the gym and go swimming. No swim suits were allowed in the swimming pool and everyone swam in the nude.

There was a hallway leading down a flight of stairs to the swimming pool and to a door with reinforced clear glass in the door's window. Many times on my way into the locker room, I would see two or three girls looking into the swimming pool at the naked boys. I loved swimming and looked forward every Saturday to swimming. I knew people looked through the door glass and could see quite plainly the naked boys. It didn't bother me at all. I knew that many times girls would watch the boys swim.

One time when I got undressed in the locker room, getting ready to go to the pool. Some of guys were horsing around and sombody thought it would be fun to put one of the naked guys out in the hallway. I was chosen and as much as I resisted, I couldn't out-wrestle 4 guys, so I was shoved into the hall and locked out, until a button was pressed inside the towel room to open upthe door again.

Of course there were 3 or 4 girls looking on laughing and pointing to my nakedness. There was nothing I could do about it. I just faced the door and and exposed my butt to the hallway. Finally , after a goodly amount of time,the girls got their fill. I was upset that they hung around for so long,time looking at me. As they passsed by, I turned around and gave them a full frontal view, and told them I hoped they enjoyed looking at me. They smiled and thanked me for the view. Finally the door was open and I got even with a couple of the guys later on. I was 12 at the time.

When the girls and women went swimming, we could go outside where someone had skillfully put a little hole in the translucent glass. We could look in, one person at a time, and see a little bit of the ladies swim time. The hole was soon repaired and a fence was put up around the windows and the was the end of that.

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I can attest to the fact that at the YMCA, the boys always swam in the nude. We were told to take a good shower and were checked at the door by a man to see if we were clean enough to get into he pool. He would rub our wet arms and if any old skin came off we had to go back and re-shower.

We were told that it was cleaner to swip nude than with a swimming suit, so we thought nothing about it. I went to the "Y" every saturday for gym and swimming and a movie.

There was a door into the swimming pool that was usually locked, but a window in the door allowed people to look in, including girls that could come and go without anyone saying anything. I witnessed this several times. There was also some tiny holes in the painted glass windows on the outside that also allowed free viewing.

One time when I had finished swimming and got dressed and left the locker room, there were three girls looking into the pool area still watching the naked guys. When I walked out, I asked them if they had a good time watching us in the nude. Their reply was, " Yes we like to watch the boys swim." I told them I hoped that I didn't disappoint them. and they said no I didn't. I was at the "Y from the 4th grade through the 9th grade. I was 13 at the time I confronted the girls.

Post 9-10:

When about 8, maybe 9, in the late 50's, I would ride to swim class with a neighbor boy my age and his mom and his sister whom I recall to be right at 2 yrs older. The first time was really educational as I didn't have any idea what to expect. We all had to shower to get the chlorine off, or so we were told. On day one, I walked out of the shower to find several moms and girls including my friend's sister in the dressing room! His mom had never seen me naked, much less his sister but his mom at this moment was the least of my worries. I don't know how many girls, just that there were several, and some of them were quite a bit younger than me, maybe down to 4-5. There had been so much noise overall that I didn't realize this until then. They hadn't been there when I stepped into the shower. I can only assume it took them a bit of time to walk from the bleachers where they sat to the dressing room. I was stunned and embarrassed to have walked out there naked in front of them like that, but there was nothing I could do. I looked around at the other boys and they were doing the same as me. I thought there must be some mistake. I just tried to turn my front away but that was hard as there were benches in front of the lockers and either showers or urinals on every wall. It seemed I was naked with no place to hide, as was actually the case. The women and girls just sat on these benches casually talking as if nothing was unusual, and I guess to the moms there, nothing was. I even recall some boys going over buck naked and using the urinal right in front of everyone. Some were visibly embarrassed, trying to cover themselves, some didn't seem to mind. After a couple of times (maybe just one) I decided to try keeping my wet suit on and not showering. I mostly waited in the hall hoping I wouldn't be told to get in there. This worked as my friend's mom either didn't notice or didn't care. But I was very nervous about all those boys I knew were walking around (and even peeing) naked in front of girls of all ages, not to mention several adult females there. It was always a strange feeling to be around this girl afterward, and I would never look directly at her. She never said anything, but I know she loved every minute of it. I could never understand why the boys didn't get any privacy in this situation, when it seemed they got it at other times and places.

Post 9-11:

I also agree that this is totally true and happened, because it happened at my school as well. Looking back I guess it does seem slightly odd, because in those days you never even saw boys or men going without a shirt even when it was really hot. However, it must have been traditional for boys and men to swim naked, even in public.

When I was in school, we too had to share the community pool with the entire school which was the middle school and high school mixed. The girls were on one side of the pool, the boys on the other.

The girls wore regulation swim suits, AND a school issued swimming cap. The boys went completely nude.

Before we were allowed to get into the water, we all had to stand on either side of the pool (boys on one side, girls on the other) and wait to be cleanliness inspected by our gym teacher. They would rub their finger on our shoulder, and make sure no dirt or grime came off before we could get in. If they found any dirt, back to the shower we had to go and use plenty of soap. wait to be cleanliness inspected by our gym teacher While waiting for inspection, we all tried not to be obvious but checked out the boys across from us who were all bare naked.

I don't remember any of us harassing the boys about being naked, nor do I recall any of the boys protesting about it either. It was just the way it was, and wasn't up for argument or negotiation.

I had never seen my brothers (or any boy) naked prior to that, and I don't even remember seeing them without their shirts!

Normally, nudity was never discussed or observed among our siblings and only occurred in the swimming pool....and only among the boys.

As a 12 year old girl, my body was starting to develop (breasts, my vagina was developing and I had a "forest" of hair there, and my shape was starting to develo curves) so it was very interesting to me in checking out how the boys were developing.

I noted how my older brother Joe (who was a year older than me) actually had less pubic hair then me, while my oldest brother Steven who was 15 had a full bush of pubic hair and even hair on his balls that I could see from across the pool.

Most of the boys DID get erections while standing there, they had nothing to look at except the girls wearing skimpy swimming suits across the pool from them. While we weren't naked like they were, we were wearing much less than they ever saw us wearing at any other time.

I thought it was fascinating how both my brothers' penises seemed so HUGE to me.....especially when they were fully erect. My 13 year old brother Joe's penis curved up and pointed straight up to the pool ceiling when he was erect, and his penis actually covered up what little pubic hair he had. Even though I was a year younger than him, I actually had more pubic hair than he did. My brother Steven's penis stuck more straight out when he was erect, and curved a bit to one side but I could still see his full pubic hair.

I think we all saw every boy with an erection at different times while swimming in P.E., but almost always before getting into the water.

Post 10: More nude swimming in school, swim teams, YMCA, #2

Each post below, 10-#, is a separate post unless its link to other posts is stated.

Post 10-1: part of the below were in an earlier posting; multiple posts

[Post #2070] "At Roosevelt h.s. in the 60's we were swimming naked and due to scheduling problems we shared the pool on fridays with the girls class...this was in my senior year...no one really cared or saw it as sexual, we were more focused on our swimming and not embarrased by girls seeing us naked.In the locker room we shared a shower room with the girls but they had their own dressing area.Although I will say that privately several of my buddies did get aroused quite a bit and looked forward to the friday swims. All of us boys were not self-conscious because that sort of thing was acceptable back then, and if we saw a girl in another class that was in the pool with us it was business as normal, just slight giggles some times and that was all. different era."

[Post #2096] "This exactly the way it was in Chicago on the north side in the 60's....we had naked swim practises 3 time a week for the team and there were always mixed group of people watching...moms dads girls boys....etc..and while I have gotten a lot of grief about this I WILL NOT HESITATE TO SAY IT AGAIN: due to scheduling problems once a week we had to share the pool with the girls during regular class. It wasn't a big deal for any of us no one was self conscious, we were only interested in our swimming and resented sharing the pool in that sense with others. This was true in my julior and senior years NO BULL. and in case any one out there has a perverted mind or attitude dont bother writing."

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"I LIVED IT DUDE!!!! i WAS THERE AND SO WAS THE REST OF MY CLASS! WE ALL LIVED IT AND LOVED THROUGH IT WISE GUY! YOU ARE FROM ANOTHER ERA SO YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF ANY OF THAT! HOW OLD ARE YOU WISE GUY?"

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I am one of the guys who still had high school swimming classes in the nude in Chicago. My situation has a slightly different twist though than most of the accounts I've read.

My class was an elective pe class, so the guys could have been freshman, sophomores, juniors, or seniors. I took this class as a junior.

Of course we all lived through the trauma of going out and swimming nude with each other. In fact, our teacher also was nude. He was about 24--right out of college, and had been a college swimmer. So here we all were--all 35 or so in the pool area--and all naked. Coach P (Peterson) as we called him, had come from California and was very comfortable in his skin.

We survived the first quarter without any drownings or overly embarrassing situations. On the first day of the second quarter, that all changed.

Girls in the 70s were still taking a class called Office Occupations, sort of like a Distributive Ed class for future secretaries. The first quarter they had classroom, but the second quarter started the practicums.

Our coach had an office assistant assigned to him to help run the attendance to the office, make copies, distribute kickboards, etc. This fully clothed girl would spend the entire class period in the pool area with all of us naked guys--including Coach P.

Just when I thought it couldn't get worse, it turned out that the assistant was Karen, my younger brother's friend who was often at our house. Karen got quite the education in male anatomy. Of course the coach had this perfect body which he didn't make any effort to hide from her.

She got to stand next to him as he took attendance each day with all of us lined up alongside the pool. I probably would have been ok, except that she kept making eye contact with me and smiling at me. My worst day was when I couldn't help it any longer and was hard as a rock. Thank God we were finally able to get in the pool.

After attendance was done, Karen got the slip from Coach and then she delivered the form to the office. She came right back and took her seat in the corner of the pool area until Coach needed something. Funny how she never brought homework to do...she just kept her eyes focused on everything we were doing.

The other funny thing was that she had to go through the guys locker room to come in and out of the pool area. All the other doors were always locked for safety. So, she not only saw us naked in the pool, but she also saw us dressing and undressing at different times.

Of course, when Karen came to the house with my brother, the conversation naturally came around to the pool. She said that she really liked it. Her friends who had boring assignments were jealous and all wanted to know about the guys and their bodies. The funniest comment came from my brother, who yelled at the dinner table, "You mean you see Tony naked every day?" We all lost it and I was never shy in the pool after that!

Post 10-2:

In the early 60's when I was about 13 or 14, I attended swimming lessons at the local YMCA. It was an all male class with all the boys about the same age, mid teens, with a male instructor. He wore a suit, but we students were naked, and everyone being male we didn't think any thing of it.

One session we were all standing naked as usual on the pool deck awaiting the instructor, when we saw the guy who was the program administrator (or some such function) coming towards us, and following him was a girl about 18 or 19 in a bathing suit. They came up to the group, and while I was shocked and embarrassed at the idea of standing there naked with this girl seeing me, I wasn't sure what to do. Looking around at the others I could see everyone was a unsure of what to do, and while some were tentatively covering their genitals with there hands, it seemed that no one wanted to be the one to say anything first.

The administrator informed us our regular instructor was ill and Miss Warner (or something like that) would take over the days class, and he turned and left leaving the dozen or so naked males with this girl who was maybe 4 0r 5 years older.

She didn't seem at all flustered or concerned and immediately started to discuss what she was going to concentrate on in the lesson.Needless to say I recall very little of what she was saying as I was still totally overwhelmed by the idea that I was going to be naked for the next hour with this girl present- certainly the first time anything like this had ever happened to me.

I was somewhat releived when we were instructed to enter the pool and could feel a little less exposed.

Unfotunately, a bit into the lesson she asked me to come up on the pool deck, as she used me to help demonstrate the proper arm movement for a particuliar stroke. Again she showed absolutely no concern that she was standing behind a naked male and moving his arms, while I'm sure I was blushing beet red with embarassment.

Even after the lesson ended it seems no one wanted to say anything about what had occured, almost like if we don't talk about it it wasn't real.

As embarrassed as I was, the incident did cause me sexual arrousal when I thought about it later, and served often through the years as fuel for masturbation.

It also turned me onto CFNM, and later I looked for and found more opportunities to get involved in such situations.

Post 10-3:

I asked my mother one day why boys swam nude and girls didn't. She said when she was a girl that all boys, including my father, were required to swim nude during high school swimming classes and at YMCA's. She said that was the custom everywhere and everyone understood that was the established practice. She then told me something that really surprised me. My mother told me while finishing college she worked as a swimming instructor and coach at a Boy's Club for three years from 1961-1964. There she taught boys up to 17 years of age, with the majority in the 10-15 age range. As was the custom of the time, the boys swam nude. My mother said her swim teams would compete with other area Boy's Clubs. She said the meets were conducted with the competition in the nude. My mother said she was the only female in presence, except occasionally when the other swim team's coach was a female. She said her teams always won,never losing a meet in the three years. I could tell she was proud of her accomplishments there. To me it sounded like something that would be exciting as I was becoming somewhat of a voyeur.

Post 10-4:

I found the stories of boys swimming nude at the YMCA to be both entertaining and accurate, because I participated in a competitive swimming program in the 1960s at the YMCA. Our coach/instructor was a female in her 20s with a degree in physical education from a local college. She always wore a one-piece swimsuit during our practice sessions. Of course, our competitions were at other outside pools and we wore swimsuits for these occasions.

At our indoor YMCA pool, there was a balcony above the pool with long wooden benches for spectators. During our practice sessions, the YMCA rules allowed two groups of people to sit in the stands and watch. The first group, of course, was parents. As you might expect, it was mostly moms, but moms are moms.

The second group, however, was siblings of the swimmers. There would usually be a few brothers of the swimmers, but there always seemed to be LOTS of sisters, who seemed to go out of their way to make plans that allowed them to come along with brother to view the practices. Furthermore, there were many occasions where sister just had to bring a friend or two along, female of course, who were just hitching a ride to the Girl Scout meeting or some other activity that came after the swim practice. The YMCA was not strict about enforcing the balcony rules, so as long as the extra girls were with the parent of a swimmer, so be it.

Parents and siblings (and those accompanying siblings, seemingly always female of course) were allowed to sit in the balcony and watch until some time between ages 14 and 15. Let's put it this way. It was well after I had pubic hair and was "growing."

Needless to say, when these girls had occasion to talk to us afterward (never in the presence of parents, of course), there were lots of giggles and plenty of talk about wiggling penises and bare bottoms. On odd occasions when a boy was really not into the activities of the day and was horse playing or not following the coach's instructions, the boy's mom would sometimes come down to the pool, lead the naked boy upstairs by the ear, and give the boy a good over the knee spanking, of course with all the other spectators watching. Sisters and other girls loved that as well.

Why would moms bring sisters and other girls to our swim practice? The only possible answer is that modesty was a female issue only, and not a concern for boys. It was unquestionably a matter of totally different standards of modesty for boys and girls. As a rather bashful boy, I can assure you that it was a painful issue for me, but I loved the swimming and competition enough and my parents pushed swimming enough that I endured it. It is not something that you readily forget, however.

I would feel embarrassed if a girl in my school classes saw me at practice. It happened to me many times, and the girls were not at all reticent about describing the experience to their friends in school, of course where you could hear the whole discussion. I was reminded often by neighborhood and schoolgirls who had been there that they knew exactly what I looked like, front and back. Violated is an excellent word to describe the way I felt when I was teased by the girls who had observed me.

The girls relished the fact that they could see us completely unclothed and know that we would not entitled to a similar privilege. Due to the double standard of the day, girls would certainly not be seen by boys the way they saw us. The only consolation was that I was never the only boy being seen. There was comfort in numbers. It was very humiliating, however, to know that girls from your neighborhood and school classes had seen you naked. Most were experts at those knowing grins.

Although my two sisters, 1-1/2 and 3 years younger than me sometimes attended my practices with my mother, my mother would never consider allowing them to bring friends along. It was other moms and sisters who brought other girls along, some of whom I knew both from the neighborhood and school. It was these "others" who were among the boldest teasers. If one of my sisters' friends had come along, she would have felt very empowered and emboldened, and would have teased me incessantly. I would have had a hard time facing her.

I have two teenage children, one boy and one girl, and neither would believe that we accepted the inherent humiliation that went along with participation in YMCA swimming activities. At the time, I am sure the YMCA justified their policy by saying:

1) We only allowed family members (and accompanying guests) to view the practices, and somebody had to bring the boys since they were not old enough to drive, and

2) It’s only boys, anyway.

I am amazed today that the YMCA was not more sensitive to the issues of sexuality among early teens. Our coach never did anything remotely inappropriate, but it was still embarrassing to be nude in front of this cute mid 20's age girl, and allowing girls our age, older and younger to see us, especially in the shower, was the ultimate in humiliation. If I had not really loved the competitive swimming and had my parents not pushed it, I don't believe I would have tolerated this as long as I did.

Post 10-5: may be a repeat from an earlier post

Going to Roosevelt high school in the sixties, we had to not only swim naked but also shower naked with soap and shampoo; if you didnt have any the school made sure you got some. and then someone would check you over to make sure....

Thursdays and fridays because of scheduling problems in my jr and sr yr we shared the pool with girls. us boys were naked all the time but girls it was clothing optional because you know female probl....we also shared the same shower and locker with them...except they got dressed in a different area. most of the girls swam naked with us but they had their own class in one part of the pool.

Post 10-6: 3 similar posts

Not at school, but my all girls swim lessons and team when I was 10/11 was all nude. There were about 8 of us and all ages 10-12. Also when I joined the all girls community center in Alaska, it was girls only and the requirments were to swim nude.

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Although it didn't apply to me personally, I found an interesting news article about nude swimming by female students in Highland Park. For those of us who wonder why the double standard, this article puts the former values of the era into perspective. According to this article, girls requested that they be allowed to swim nude in school, as the boys had been doing, so that they could have more time to spend in the pool. But unlike the boys, the mothers didn't approve of their daughters swimming nude, and petitioned the school superintendent, who yielded to their protests ending the nude swimming only after six weeks in one of the schools. The article mentions that girls swam nude in three schools. I suppose that it wasn't long before the other two also halted nude swimming among the girls as well.

My guess is that had the Michigan schools had their way, all students would swim nude, and I that the only reason that boys swam nude whereas girls did not was due to the intolerance expressed by the students' parents. It seems that parents are more to blame for the double standard than the schools themselves.

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I have been told by my mother that in her high school, girls also swam

nude. This was in Oregon in the '60s.

Post 10-7:

In our primary school we had nude swimming lessons up to 11-12 years old twice a week. Our instructors were two female teachers, both in their twenties. In HS we also had nude swimming classes, but the teachers were usually male, although we did have female substitute or assistant teachers sometimes. Anyone else had nude swimming classes at school?

Post 10-8: 2 similar posts

Detroit

I am a girl who attended Redford in the late 60's...don't think the boys swam naked ( though I never had occasion to look ). Those cotton suimsuits were awful, as soon as they got wet, they stretched out and what started out just below your neck was now below your boobs. And every gym teacher iIcan rememeber having WAS a bit odd...music teachers too, but that's a different topic!

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I went to Osborn, graduated '76, and we had those same, awful cotton swimsuits. Yeesh, they were horrible. We used to tie the straps together behind our necks to keep them from sagging too much. My senior year, they got some nylon suits, but not enough for everyone. So we would race to the counter to be the first ones to get the 'better' suits.

The boys did not swim naked. We had two pools and the boys and girls would switch between them, so we often had to walk past the small pool while the boys where in there. Talk about needing therapy. That was humiliating and degrading on so many levels.

Post 10-9:

I attended HS in the 60's. No nude swimming. Later, in the late '60s, when I was preparing for teaching I was a substitute. I was assigned to substitute for a female P.E. teacher on one occasion. The "duty" roster for the teachers had me assigned to hand out towels in the girls locker room--girls were required to shower. I pointed out to the Athletic Director (male) that perhaps it would not be wise doing that duty assignment. I was reassigned to watch the door (so girls wouldn't cut out early for lunch, etc.) and one of the other female teaches handed out towels. I have a feeling that if I hadn't raised the question, I probably would have been expected to do the original "duty" and probably would have ended my teaching career before it started. The offices of both the male and female P.E. teachers were above the gym and had windows looking down over the shower rooms to "supervise". Ostensibly the male desks were on the boys side, and the female desks on the girls side. But with it open, there was nothing making the "supervision" gender specific and the male PE teachers or the female PE teachers were frequently alone in the office and responsible for supervising both sides. I never heard of that being any kind of a problem, but I suppose if I were one of the students below the windows I might have a different opinion on the matter

Post 10-10:

I went to Kennedy High School, which was a fairly new school relative to the other ancient structures in the city. It was built around 1962. Connected at one end of the high school, attached by a bridge, was Kinzie Elementary. Since I was 4 until I was 18, those two buildings were where I grew up. Rumors about naked swim began to surface when I was in the 2nd or 3rd grade. And we knew it was true... because we could see them; The swimming pool's slightly frosted windows looked out on our playground. Year after year during recess and lunches we would watch the parade of naked boys walking past the window, occasionally they would lean back against the glass and we could see their squished buttocks. It terrified me. Someday I would be on the other side of that glass.

The other thing was there was stadium seating that looked over the swimming pool. This was never locked and years later we learned that it was common for the girls to sneak up there and watch the naked boys.

Post 10-11:

The school year 71-2 I spent in Paris France. The school I want to rented a in door pool for the whole school 3 or 4 times thou the year. To keep the younger from having to deal with wet swimsuits the kids up to the 4th grade swam nude. The older kids were permitted to wear what they wanted. Some girls and boys swam nude. Some swam with swimsuits. Many of the girls that wore something still went without a top.

Post 11: More nude swimming in school, swim teams, YMCA, #3

Each post below, 11-#, is a separate post unless its link to other posts is stated.

Post 11-1: multiple posts from the UK

I forgot my PE kit at primary school on one occasion when I was in my final year and had to strip down to my undies in the school hall. It was in a mixed class of boys and girls. Everyone else was wearing T-shirt, shorts and plimsolls, and I was barefoot and in my knickers and vest!

It was a mixed class with a female teacher. I imagine the boys would have had to go in underwear if they had forgotten their kits, but I never remember this happening.

*** man from UK"

My two children, male and female, all did pe in their underwear in their early years at junior school. Mixed classes -- never a hint that they felt embarrassed and why should they?

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Also, back in the early 1970's apparently not only were pupils without kit told to do PE inside entirely bare, but there was no second chance, and the first time pupils forgot anything they had to strip off, including girls. As if this was not enough in itself, the pupils would also be smacked twice on the bottom or legs. This ended in 1974 a year before my post take up.

A similar policy was operated at my secondary school - if you forgot your kit you simply went without. At the age of twelve I had to part in a dance class dressed in nothing but my knickers and a T-shirt I managed to borrow from a friend. If that wasn't bad enough, the teacher made me take a message to the boy's PE class next door. It was deliberate humiliation - she could have asked anyone else to go - and I was too much in awe of her authority to defy her.

*** up to age 10, UK:

My own memories proved to be correct, both friends remembered using the school pool with absolutely nothing on, while sharing with girls wearing knickers. One was the same year as me, the other two years older.

*** woman from UK

Not to my knowledge. As I say, it was probably only a rumour, but it had an enormous effect on the younger pupils. Probably those who forgot their costumes sat out the lesson or had detention, but I don't remember anyone in this position.

PE was a different matter, for the girls at least. If you forgot any part of your kit, you simply did without. I can remember having to do gym in my pants even when I was in the fourth year (aged 14/15). It was extremely humiliating. My brother, who attended the same school, said this very rarely happened to the boys. It still seems to me unfair that boys and girls were treated so differently. Rachel.

Yes, I meant underwear. My PE classes were girls only, with a female teacher. Of course doing PE in underwear would have been better than swimming naked, but it was still very embarrassing. Our teacher viewed it as a punishment and made the experience as humiliating as possible. If you had forgotten all your PE kit, you would be made to walk to the gym in your school uniform and get undressed there - all the other girls would be changed and ready for the lesson, so they would watch you stripping down to your undies and inevitably have a bit of a giggle at your expense. If the lesson over-ran, the next class would come into the gym before we had finished and therefore another twenty or so children would get to see you in your glory and also tell their friends that "Rachel did PE in her knickers!" Once, we were so late finishing a lesson, that a couple of girls who had forgotten their PE kits and were doing gymnastics in their underwear, were told simply to pick up their school uniforms and make their way back to the changing rooms the way they were. They therefore had to walk through a public area, in view of other pupils, in their pants, vests and bare feet. There was no reason why they should have been subjected to such humiliation in public - they could easily have got dressed again in the gym. It was pure sadism on the part of our teacher. Rachel.

*** girl UK:

In my last year at primary school I forgot my PE kit and was allowed by my teacher to sit out the lesson on the benches at the side of the hall. Unfortunately, our headmistress walked in on the lesson and asked of my teacher why I wasn't doing PE. When it was explained it was because I had no kit, she retorted "Nonesense! She'll just have to do it in her underwear". I couldn't believe what I was hearing - our teacher never made us go in underwear if we had no kit - but that vicious old cow made me get undressed in front of the whole class. I took off my shoes and socks, my cardigan, my blouse and my skirt, leaving me standing in front of the class in my knickers, vest and bare feet. I felt so small and miserable standing in front of a fuly clothed adult, who clearly cared nothing for my feelings, in only my underwear. I had to spend the rest of the lesson dressed like this, and every boy in the class saw my knickers. I did my best not to burst into tears in front of everyone, but I cried for ages afterwards when I got home.

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Things got a bit more complicated when we swimming in year 5, as if we forgot our trunks we had to swim in our underwear, which obviously meant they clung to our cocks and balls or breasts and pussies, often going partially see through. afterwards the boys had to change on the pool side as there was only one room big enough for a school group and the girls took it, so we had to change whilst the school after us took their lesson, which seemed to please the girls!

*** UK:

Not totally related but back in the late 60's, early 70's at my school, boys had swimming lessons nude up to the age of 16 - with a female instructor. There were also times when girls accompanied swimming lessons but were allowed bathing suits albeit this only happened if one instructor was off ill.

There were also many times when girls were caught spying on the boys and not punished - it was joked about. It was even rumoured that was how some girls 'chose' their boyfriends.

Post 11-2: more UK posts

UK/Darlington SChool, written by a woman

But the activity for which Dartington was best known, or perhaps most notorious, was nude, mixed bathing. The senior school had a swimming pool — about two minutes' walk away from the main building — at which swimming naked was the order of the day. Teachers as well as pupils — or anyone of any age who wished to use the pool — were expected to take off all their clothes, leave them lying on a grassy bank, and avail themselves of this liberating experience.

I have no idea how this custom originated — probably with the headmaster, W.B. Curry, who, in his book The School, wrote: "It is desirable for boys and girls to see each other wholly or partially undressed as, so to speak, part of the day's work, and without having to make any special effort to do so. In this way the furtive curiosity from which so many adolescents suffer is greatly diminished [...] I think it is almost certain that, in children at least, nudity after the first few occasions, diminishes rather than increases sexual interest." This is undoubtedly true. The area round our swimming pool was a singularly unsexy place. Boys who might climb up a drainpipe at the school itself in order to catch a glimpse of a girl having a bath, would show not the slightest interest in the same girl's nude body (often goose-pimply from the cold) as she made her way into the chilly water.

I can't now recall what I felt about swimming naked in the first year or two of senior school, when I was 13 and 14; I probably went along with it quite happily. But I do know that, as I grew older, I found it increasingly embarrassing. I didn't dare admit this to anyone — and hardly to myself — or a very long time. Nude bathing was such an integral part of the school's enlightened ethos that to question it would have been regarded as deeply regressive and bourgeois — the equivalent of objecting to, say, gender equality today. But truth will out, and we older girls finally, and guiltily, started confessing to each other that we felt extremely self-conscious about being seen without our clothes on. We had no wish to expose our wobbly bits to all and sundry. If only we could wear bathing-suits, we all agreed, we would go swimming much more often. I suspect that most of the boys felt much the same way, though I never talked about this uncomfortable subject to any male.

There was, however, one boy who swam against the tide, so to speak, and always wore swimming trunks. Naturally, we all thought there was something fundamentally wrong either with his body, or with his mind, or both. Looking back on it now, it strikes me that he showed exceptional moral courage, or sang froid — certainly more than we older girls did. None of us had the nerve to bring up the topic at Moot meetings, let alone to propose a motion, which we had drafted, to make bathing-suits acceptable. So we continued to bathe naked, but more and more self-consciously, and less and less frequently. (After Curry's departure as headmaster in 1957, bathing-suits became optional.)

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During outdoor games the school's cricket pavilion was often used for changing in and only had one changing area . On some occasions when the boys' games session finished first we were ordered out of the changing rooms by our games master in various states of undress in order for the girls to take priority for showering and changing. We were then lined up outside mostly naked or almost-naked waiting for the girls to finish before we were allowed back in.You can imagine how exposed and self-conscious we all felt as the girls left the changing room. We were petrified but the girls loved it of course and took their time walking past and inspecting us in all our glory!

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I must admit, I have happy memories of my pe and swimming lessons although it was a strict regime for boys but like a holiday camp for the girls. At my prep we did pe lessons all together in a massive gym with the girls wearing skirts and tops and the boys just pe shorts. If it was cold outside the girls could wear jumpers but nothing extra could be worn for the boys. At swimming which we did separtly, the girls could wear simming costumes but the boys were not allowed to wear anything. If pe was cancelled at short notice, we would do swimming but as the girls did not have their swim wear then they could watch, but only after we had all got in the pool. Alos, the boys had to shower, the girls did not have to.

We did early morning swims in the indoor pool - always naked as the girls were in a different house. Our swimming lessons were always done naked but quite often the 4 girls would be waiting outside for us to finish and would take great delight in watching us.

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England: female

Oh happy memories. i had to do p.e in vest & panties so many times i lost count. If you forgot your gym kit, it was tough luck & you did it in your underwear. lol. Natalie, that must have been horrendous for you. I know you must have done something wrong to be sent there in the first place, but to be forced to undress by someone is awful.

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I went to school in the 50's and modesty for boys was not an issue. Our form teacher was a woman and she presided over all our classes, including our swim classes where we swam naked. It was not unusual for other female teachers to take our swim class if our teacher was not available for any reason. The girls did not swim naked and it sometimes happened that they were a little early or we were a little late in the pool and were boys had to walk past the girls as they entered the pool. No body ever complained.

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I attended a coed (mixed) grammar school in Devon between '61 and '68 and most of the memories on here reflect my own experiences at school. I was a boarder but the school also admitted day pupils. One of the luxuries at our school was the size of the grounds - about 20 acres or so - which meant there was a keen policy of outside PE and exercise in general. Back then, our PE kit consisted of shorts. Oh, and plimsolls if the activity required them. No underwear was the rule, and strictly adhered to.

There was no way you cheat as the shorts were slightly transparent - pants were visible a mile off. Generally no-one cared about being shirtless, especially in the summer, or even being barefooted for that matter. In winter, depending on how cold the day was, a sports vest was allowed.

I don't remember having a jockstrap, things just 'floated' about freely inside the large baggy shorts. I don't ever remember it being a problem though.

The swimming pool was built during my tenure (can't remember what year, but mid 60s approx.) There was no swimming kit so the swimming was done naked, but generally there were no spectators so no-one was bothered in the slightest, it just seemed perfectly normal. The only time some of the boys got slightly embarrassed was when the PE master was off sick and the girls female PE tutor deputised the swimming lesson.

On one infamous occasion, and I can't think why it was allowed to happen, the pool was shared by both the girls and boys swimming lessons - with the boys at one end doing diving and life saving, and the girls at the other end doing their thing. I just remember feeling at the time that it was deeply unfair that the girls could wear a full one piece swimsuit while we had to be naked.

The girls' puberty enhanced upper bodies didn't exactly help matters, especially as a hormone ravaged teen, either. This fear was borne out as one boy (who I shan't name and shame!) got out the pool and walked straight up the other end to complain to the PE mistress who was taking both classes, and confronted her. As he was admonishing her about the injustice - both of them standing at the poolside near the girls - he developed a huge.. er.. state of excitement shall we say, in full view of the pool and 12 or so giggling and whistling girls, ending with a firm rebuking from the mistress and told go back and carry on diving and not to be such a baby. I seem to remember him being popular after though..

Post 11-3: mixed nude swimming in school and other posts

I went to a high school where they discouraged swimming nude. In fact, the only moderately serious trouble I ever got into at school was the time the girls and boys swim teams were caught in the pool nude. Was there a reaction by the Assistant Principal? Oh yea.

Within 24 hours though everything was cool. No expulsions or suspensions. They did put locks on the doors from the two locker rooms so we could not just walk out unsupervized and naked for a swim...as the guyz had been doing for years. Yea, we got caught on our inaugural mixed swim. Dammit.

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When I learned to swim, in the late 1940s, and later on the high school swim team in the 1950s, pools enforced a nude swimming rule for males even for meets -- I had my picture in the local newspaper once, which they judiciously cut off just above the waist.

I don't know about the girls (there wasn't much female competetive swimming then). Suits were required in public pools with mixed swimming, so the rule wasn't absolute, but it was practically universal in males-only situations. Does anyone know why?

*** may be a repeat from an earlier post

I'm English, but went to school for 2 years in Finland due to my dads work placement at the time in 1984 to 1986. I was aged 13 to 15 at the time I attended a school on the outskirts of Helsinki. In the UK I had already taken showers for about two years totally boys and men teachers only. But in Finland, not only were the showers compulsory, but the changing rooms were mixed, what Americans call co-ed, but the showers were mixed (co-ed) also, with naked teenage boys and girls openly together in the showers and large change rooms. It was a culture shock to me. Everyone was so naturally confident. Except me! Male and female teachers supervised us. When I got back to Britain for the end of my schooling, none of my old friends I rejoined believed me when I told them I'd had to share their school change areas and showers with pretty naked Scandanavian girls as well as boys, all naked together in the same shower. Whether it still happens I've no idea.

Post 11-4:

That was pretty much my experience at Taft High School in CPS. We practiced nude and our swim coach was nude during the team practices. He was a math teacher and coached after school. He was a young coach and had swum in high school nude so this was natural for him. On occasion we had females come into the pool area during practices. As others have said before...this is how it was done. Everyone saw us nude...just the way it was. I agree...that was our uniform.

Looking back now in a 2011 lens...it does seem unbelievable that we did that. Had I known then what I know now I sure would have enjoyed it more then! Oh it was fun and we talked about being nude in front of the teachers and each others girlfriends...but by today's standards we should have really enjoyed it even more!!

Post 11-5:

You had me believing until that bit about there being no naked male swimmers with girls or women watching or in attendance. When I was 10, 11 and 12 I saw boys swim competitively and naked while standing and sitting in a spectator area with my mother in a Y in Worcester and Fitchburg, MA, USA. My brother was among them. I found it very interesting.

Yes, there were other girls there. This was in 1954, 53, and 52. I don't know what the boys thought. I had seen my brother nude before. But I thought it was cool to see the other boys, I guess. It was all sort of natural back then."

*** reader comment on the above post

From the account I quoted I think that in a subsequent post she said that her brother whom she saw competing with other boys in front of mixed spectators was two years younger than her. So if she watched the boys until she was 13 as she says the boys would have been 11 years old at least.

Post 11-6:

This was in the 1970s and 1980s in Minnesota (USA). For some reason, girls were required to wear suits. I was on the swim team from 8th grade until I graduated, and our practices and swim meets were nude ONLY. I think I was naked in every swimming pool I ever swam in for the first 19 years of my life. Our swim coaches were nude, and this was considered fine and normal. We would have thought it strange if they had worn clothing. However, they did wear shorts - and often shirts - during swim meets and competitions, though we swimmers competed naked. We often had spectators at our practices, and almost always at our competitions as well, but nudity was the swimmer's uniform, and we didn't give it a second thought. In fact, if we had been told to dress for swimming, I think there would have been a revolt. Suits were for girls. I remember a friend's mom coming up to talk to me after a practice when I was about 18 years old. There I was, a completely naked and well-developed young man, chatting on the pool deck with a middle-aged woman. And yet the thought that was in my head at the time was "wow, how did I get so much taller than her?" The nudity was inconsequential.

Post 11-7:

When in junior high school during PE class we knew the days that the girls would be in the swimming pool so when we took our showers that day we would look through the key hole in the lock and could see into the girls shower, we knew they left the door to the pool open. We got to see quite a few nude girls as well as the instructor nude. When we got caught our couch would bust our bare asses as we came out of the shower. We keep doing it so it must have been worth it. As then even now I love to see others nude and having fun.

Post 11-8:

I can attest to this practice. In Baltimore during the early 70's, I swam nude both at the local YMCA and at the high school. The high school was all male, but we shared the pool with the all girl high school across the quadrangle. According to the coaches, it was for the sake of the pool filter that we all went starkers. Of course, the girls had these nylon suits that the school laundered for them.

One day the senior girls filled the bleachers during our swim class. All we could do was stay close to the side of the pool until the coach shooed them out. A lot of cat-calls and whistling from those girls. We ninth graders were not yet so confident to flaunt ourselves or return the heckling.

Post 11-9:

I have personal correspondence with a man who grew up in the 40's who said that in grade school they shared a swimpool with HS kids on different days.

In it he says that the boys swam nude together with clothed girls in their class up to grade 3, and after that boys separately, but still nude, up to grade 6 and always in front of their female teachers, since near all grade school teachers in those days were female.

At the older age ,and still in front of their female teachers, he says that they had HS girls and boys instructing them. Interestingly he said that while the HS girls always wore suits the HS boys only wore a towel around their waist which they took off before entering the pool, and back on again when coming out of it. So they were momentarily naked in front of the female teachers and HS girls during these lessons.

The younger boys up to grade 6, which I assume would be up to about 12 years old, were always naked, and even had to line up naked in front of their class female teachers, and other female school staff who sometimes visited the pool.

I will post his account if I find it.

Incidentally, if I remember well, he was also from the Michigan area.

Post 11-10:

In junior high, our school pool only had one change room, so whenever guys and girls were swimming at the same time, the guys were made to change in area right outide the entrance to the change room. One female teacher in particular used to hang around while we were changing. Although some of us tried to pull our bathing suits on under towels etc, some didnt bother and she got to see quite a few cocks. One guy in particular used to deliberately get naked when she was there and I caught her eying his cock, which was very big for his age.

Post 11-11:

In high school, around 1983, I had a good friend whose dad was a prof at the local university. One weekend he offered to take us swimming at the uni pool. I was really that thrilled about the idea but along we went and, good god, was I glad we did. While we loafed in the pool, a group, possibly the swim team, were praticing a couple of lanes over.

A few of them got out to take a break and i immediately noticed that 2 or three of them had on super-thin swimsuits that were completely seethru when wet. Nipples and bush (no shaving in those days, I guess) fully visible. Incredible. I'd been to local swimming pools many times but never seen such a sight. I'm guessing that as competitive swimmers they wore different suits, at least to practice. I've never seen this in recent years - does anyone else have a similar experience? Was this just a late 70s/early 80s thing?

Post 11-12:

Ok, I'm gonna start this off by saying the CFNM School Physical double standard is one of the most common topics on this form. But, When I was growing up, I went through a CMNF School Exam situation, though it was not exactly medical. I was in the Middle school play. It was a small town and all the costumes were hand made so everyone had to be measured for them. Note that we were a gender assorted mix of 12,13, and 14 year olds. For the measurements to be done, we all had to strip down to are undergarments. Boy's chest and waist were measured first and they got dressed. But, since the girls were also wearing special bras for the play, they had to take there bras off and have there exact bra size and bust size as well as what the boys did, exposing themselves in front of all the boys. The girls were all hesitant and embarrassed but the costume director(Female) made them do it anyway and all of them were measured in front of the boys. I know this was not medical but it was still a school examination that sorta worked like a medical exam and the experience thread has been closed since July, I decided to post it here.

Post 11-13:

When I was 16 I did swimming classes at school. We were all the same age, and one week this girl forgot her bikini top. She came out topless, and the teacher didn't even care! Gradually we all started swimming topless - it felt great, and we all had a good fun time.

I swim naked whenever I can now.

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